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A session with David Segerts

Sitting with David Segerts in his tastefully decorated suite is a rare treat of experiencing an orderly lifestyle for he has impeccable manners and a lifetime of memories to share. About the same time as Uranium City, Saskatchewan, was becoming a city (of 5,000 souls) David Segerts was born in 1960 and grew up to see the place there turn into a ghost town. His hometown basically shutdown in 1982, but David was ready to move on then anyway.

"I am a Dene/Cree, but I generally say I am Dene because I look almost exactly like my father," and he shows a picture that proves it. David is the spitting image of his Dene father. "I dropped out of school when I was in grade 8," and went back for adult upgrading by the age of 25 at Alberta Vocational Centre in Calgary.

He said AVC was a good learning experience although the facility lacked a First Nation student organization, so he helped put one together. "We held dances, fundraisers, and hosted a room that the school donated," which became a gathering place for all nations and a useful foot in the door for First Nation students.

A short time later David Segerts began to study the tactics known as lateral violence, which are used in oppression and especially systemic racism. It is this lateral violence that explains the extraordinary incarceration rates and recidivism in crime of the First Nation people of Canada. Nearly 50 percent of the prisoners in Canada either male or female are First Nation or Aboriginal people.

For these kinds of disparities to exist in a segment of society the problems have to run very deep indeed. "Lateral violence goes on in every First Nation organization and starts with arguments like, 'My family is better than theirs,'" he said. Lateral violence is an important tool used by the purveyors of oppression or systemic racism.

It is important, "to get us fighting amongst each other. We are actually born into it, however," because the system is designed that way, "Public awareness is the only way to address it," said Segerts. "The methods of lateral violence include, backstabbing, gossip, infighting, shaming, humiliating, damaging comments, belittling, and sometimes violent behaviour."

Other terms for what is happening to First Nations in Canada include auto-genocide and horizontal violence, he said. These terms are applied mostly to the members of oppressed groups in society, he explained, "I didn't really understand lateral violence until I was about 30 years of age. I rarely discussed it until I did the research first," said Segerts. "It is designed to prevent efforts to heal the effects of oppression."

Lateral violence teaches people to disrespect and deny the rights of an oppressed group, to destroy the values and beliefs. Practitioners will engage in infighting, faulting finding, and scapegoating, raising the stakes of competition via jealousy and envy. The attacks are made upon those who already possess low self esteem and the attacks lower a person's self worth.

Ultimately the goal is to make the victim take the blame for the continuous putdowns, "This is the nature of oppression," said Segerts. It is a denial of their self and humanity. "They think they have become objects unworthy of respect.  They fail from the inability to recognize themselves as a human being. They become convinced that the oppressor owns them, and often the oppressor does own them including through financial dependencies upon welfare and personal dependencies upon drugs or alcohol.

“When my son was 11 years old I brought him to Vancouver to live with me, and after a few short weeks, he told me, ‘Dad, I didn’t realize that Indians didn’t drink. I didn’t realize the Indian men work.’” It was another stunning learning experience about lateral violence for David the father who has never spent time languishing on welfare programs but knows on reserves and in some urban communities it can become a long-running generational trap.

“People who feel dependent suffer a lack of personal power. When they lose power they will see their cultural identity eliminated and be unable to stop it,” he said. Many times the First Nations in Canada have been known to hide their own beliefs or adopt the beliefs of an oppressing society. “They were dislocated from the land, and suffered breakdown of family structure during the Residential School years. Indigenous people were removed from families at age four in some cases, only to be afflicted with physical, mental, sexual, and social abuses.”

His own mother had a safety pin jammed through her tongue by nuns at one such school, then was made to sit facing a corner in a classroom for speaking her Cree language. “There were many children killed by torture,” he rightly asserts, “Families were disrupted by one child being raised in a Catholic school and another being raised in a United Church run school. In fact the Residential School system was a highly specialized form of lateral violence.”

The lateral violence design for First Nations people results in a distrust of First Nation leaders by their own people. “It results in a distrust of those who might emerge to help. Rising stars are severely restricted or punished. Leaders who make any difference are fired and persecuted. Incompetent leaders are recruited and promoted by the oppressors. Dividing and conquering is the main process used by the oppressors.”

Segerts intends to write a book with a biographical story line. He was later trained as a technical engineer at BCIT and NAIT, then, while living in Vancouver, he entered the film industry, first as an actor, then as a producer and director. Today he is employed on a youth employment initiative that operates in Canada for First Nations. Remember the name, because the book will be a heckuva a good read.

Just Kats personal viewpoint . . .
 
A discourse by Kat Norris sent by email to friend David Segerts, back in Sep ’07 when the Indigenous Rights declaration at the UN failed to carry the support of Canada, and Kat’s reply to David and others said spread it around, so here it is, from Kat Norris  Coast Salish  Indigenous Action  

Wow! What a landslide vote for Indigenous people. I'm still of the standing, in part, that we as the indigenous people of this soil, now called Canada, do not recognize the 'Canadian' government, nor do we recognize the man-created borders, as well as the jurisdictions of the various departments of justice, Unfortunately we are living in a land ruled by such oppression, we needed international support and input. Even then Canada would not liberate nor vote for our collective human rights.
 
 Canadian leaders, were seeking to broker a higher return for their irrevocably bigoted, colonialist stance, to once again, to priest -smack us in the backs of our heads, in the world eye, that we may finally bow our little brown heads down in compliance to sovereign influence. it proves that our land and its resources are entrenched in global enterprises.
 
Their decision HAS to prove what we've known along, that the colonial powers are continuing their stance of domination over our land and its resources.
 
We HAVE changed as self-governing nations, we have the Indian Act which acts as the government's ICBC, the government has it's own leglistation which rules our lives, we ARE suffering the aftermath of loss land, roles, traditional leadership; residential school genocide, the reservation system; ensuing racism in all aspects of our lives and more...government sanctioned media and employer acquiescence.
 
 ...as little children, our ancestors, meaning our great-great-great and great-great and great, and our grandparents were dragged by the RCMP, priests, independent contractors and the Department of Indian Affairs agents into the torture chamber called the Residential School to suffer for the peoples sin of not comforming, not assimilating, not giving up the declaration that this land is our land, this land's not your land... and these are the people that we must take a stand for... these broken people and their next generations.. who ..are today, living in poverty, living in addictions, living in the streets and on reservations NOT ONLY as a testament to colonialist dictatorship and their utter disregard for us as human beings but to the strength of our people to survive as a 'minority' people. We know our rights.
 
 As little children and as youth in school, and for the past fifty years, we have dealt with racism and as children and youth today, our children suffer from racism in school and in the post secondary level as well.. because of the government(s) stance on our piece of the pie crumbs flouted as 'native privilege.'
 
 TAXATION, EDUCATION, 'FREE' LANDS.   Technically, we are the havenots, but we are rich in the knowledge of what is rightfully ours.
 
 'Canada's' decision has to prove for something. It proves to society that we as indigenous people are indeed, living under 'Canadian' oppression, as what was laid out in the master plan by the European powers that desired our beautiful soil and rich resources. This attitude is what we, as activists, and community leaders have been rallying against all along.. and now it is there for all to see.
 
We as many nations, will never forget. Countries around the world now know the totalitarianism we live under.. And we say 'shame!'
 
 And as my banner reads: CANADA IS OCCUPIED TERRITORY
 
 Kat Norris  Coast Salish  Indigenous Action  (604) 682-3269 extension: 7718 

 

 

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